Sarah, I think the most important thing is that if a republican, especially trump, is in the White House, not only will women especially suffer here, but he will support the worst despots all over the world.
I’m not going backwards because of some EvilAngekical Christian AssHat. They have an agenda to silence women once again. Didn’t work out that well the first time.. FVCK that. Take away women’s rights now in 2023 and watch WTF happens next. I call it: Fuck Around and Find Out 🙌🏽🖕🏽🙌🏽MAKE MY DAY
Religion has NO place in Government...EVER. This is a FREEDOM. Full stop! Religion is a personal choice (thus, a freedom) it is between “YOURSELF” and FULL STOP AGAIN. 🤬
You’re the one wanting to interfere in my business. You need to provide some kind of justification. I don’t owe you shit. Not conversation, not debate. Nada.
Depends on who it is. Those worthless assholes who hang out at Planned Parenthood and harass patients could collapse on the sidewalk and I’d step over them and keep walking.
Religion and politics is not the problem People are the problem. This planet would be better off if people didn’t exist in the first place. So “pro life” isn’t a good thing. I’m pro choice and pro death penalty and agnostic. And mommadillo is correct- no one owes you a discussion or debate or to tell you jack shit about why or how they think. Arrogant much?
Wish there was a ❤️ button. These people are CRAZY to think this is right., it is a Freedom and everyone, (repeat) EVERYONE has a choice. It is a FREEDOM. NO ONE should be told what to do.
We (as in all of us) have to live with your own choice. There are many who struggle everyday with HARD choices, that is how it should be. STFU already, it is a matter of MY choice, I will struggle with it and never forget. 😢
It’s the viability factor. If a baby is able to survive outside the womb, with or without medical assistance it’s a person. We don’t have the technology to keep an embryo or fetus alive, yet. When and if we do - instead of abortion we could surgically remove that EMBRYO/FETUS causing no harm to mother or FETUS/ EMBRYO and drop it in a fish tank to fully developed. Once they are we can send them to you and everyone that thinks like you and you can all raise them, with all that that entails. And you don’t need to write any separate more focused anything. Just sit and stfu.
Sex has risks and so does rape and so does complicated pregnancies.You’re an absolutely condescending idiot. Manders explained EVERYTHING to you in simple words and you still don’t get it. You never will so enjoy your smug existence and please, don’t procreate. Or go out in public, just stay home and do whatever it is you do.
Nope- you’re wrong. I know you hate that but you are. I did say we can’t do it “yet”. Did you read my entire comment? I said when and if we do women can have it surgically removed for the same cost as abortion of course , and lovingly placed in an incubation tank. Once viable the pro lifers will be assigned a baby or 2. No problem for me, resolution for you. Or no? They can sent to orphanages. Is that better?
OMG!! Articulate refreshing truthful spot on !! Fucking brilliant 🙌🏽 I sent your thread to my adulting daughters! They loved it!! Ahhh the intelligence of this post. Thank you Manders
The hard right-wingers have been very busy behind the scenes working in secret like TERMITES! People with more liberal ideology need to get busy working just as hard to counteract the hardcore backward ideology of the hardliners. I’m old and I was in my 30s when RoevWade came into law and I was shocked because of the norms of the time. At approximately the same age I gained the right to have a credit card in my own name!!! Can you imagine living life in the age of information without a credit card? We were just coming out from the oppressive time when men ruled women with a heavy hand. I don’t want my grandchildren being forced into such restrictive ideology or the constraints and consequences of a “Christian’ nation rather than a secular nation with freedom of religion! Separation of Church and State (possibly under threat in the near future) needs to be guarded carefully. It is foundational to our freedoms. We don’t want to end up with an American Taliban!
Two of my friends in the '60s had to get illegal abortions or they would have lost their jobs. Both were damaged in the process and later unable to get pregnant when they could afford to have children. Post partum blues were not understood much at the time. It's easy for ignorant men to assume that depressed women are "crazy", and blame the victim.
Maybe so but probably not as often as quacks with rusty or dirty coat hangers. Many girls bed to death or got really bad infections. They left the back alley quack’s place bleeding and in pain. If you had a botched abortion at Planned Parenthood then I feel sorrow and compassion about that happened to you or maybe it’s someone you know. I remember the relief I felt for all those that might want an abortion even though I never had one. But I knew someone, a teenager, that did back then and she experienced consequences. The hope RoevWade gave women was safety. I don’t know statistics to compare the 40s 50s & 60s to the 2000s but I’m scared back alley abortions will be resumed. I think that’s the most likely scenario. And today women’s lives are put at risk when they want their baby but the fetus isn’t healthy enough to continue and the mother’s life is threatened when she has to wait till she’s at death’s door to get the needed procedure to save her life. ONGYNs are leaving red states particularly if there’s a law a doctor giving an abortion will be imprisoned. There’s now a scarcity of obstetricians now in some of those states and where does that leave pregnant women. What upsets me is state congressional leaders making decisions like this when they don’t understand medicine or medically problematic pregnancies. Mortality rates are going up for fetuses, babies and their mothers. It’s a very complex issue.
I also, in 1963 our high school did not allow girls to wear pants. Guys HAD to wear a belt NO jeans.
I can’t say I hated it, it was what it was. However, I do not believe in going backwards. A dress code doesn’t hurt much. I am though, furiously opposed to taking women’s rights away. Today’s Right Wing are not acceptable for anyone. ESPECIALLY A WOMEN’S BODY.
This must be STOPPED. It is so hard to believe that our Freedoms are close to being gone. THE COURTS MUST STEP IN. How can this happen they are breaking the law EVERYDAY.
HITLER DIED and I don’t remember him being RESURRECTED.
TFG IS NOT GOD and he is old enough to die soon. He’s not in good health and has dementia. But now we see them all coming out of the woodwork to do all the EVIL our loved ones fought for.
I do. We had to wear nylon stockings that ran if you looked at them crosseyed and cost so much I couldn't afford to eat well. Pants suits were such a relief and we're an immediate hit (also made sexual access to womenmore difficult for male employees/bosses .
My stocking runs usually came at a very crucial moment. Pantsuits and knee highs were great inventions. I remember buying 4-fers. They should be brought back.
Ummm....whatsa 4-fer? Was that the belt that you clip the nylons to? Gads, I would never do anything to let a man think I was available, since so few of them were eligible.
4-fees was a box of inexpensive knee highs sold in grocery stores just prior to the L’Eggs becoming popular and available in grocery stores. Garter belts’ upper part was similarly to a girdle with long garters with buckles to latch to the stocking. They were uncomfortable & the buckles could dig into your leg and skin. Ugh!
And some, you'll note, are very busy right here, right now. Not behind the scenes. Not in secret. But, yes, very much working, like busy little termites trying to foist their viewpoint on the rest of humanity. STILL. It's breathtaking sometimes that these people think it's just fine and dandy to MAKE YOU do as they wish. The fight goes on!
Because they are the minority in reality ruling the majority because they Wm are well financed by billionaires and corporations. There was a time in my lifetime that bi-partisanship was the practice. Both sides discussed and compromised. Repubs & Dems in these sessions after making their arguments went to lunch together. Many were close friends. That doesn’t happen anymore as you must know. Better decisions are made for the country when there’s bi-partisanship. Today hard-right Republicans in Congress refuse to do this and that disrupts the course of governing.
Yes, kinda like my formative years in Kansas in the salad days of the 1950s, where the playground bullies ruled by a My Way or Eat Dust fiat. Those bullies are all grown up and produced two going on three generations of bully spawn. Add several dashes of fascist pseudo religious ideology and voilà 🫤
"Free' speech does not confer on you the right to say anything you want to anybody, anytime, no matter how vile, malicious, false or hateful. There are limits bound by decency, which some sociopaths don't seem to comprehend.
The US already had the highest maternal death rate of any developed country, and the new "pro-life" (hahahaha) restrictions on abortion are increasing it. I may be only a man, but I have an opinion on that which is that it seems to be going in the wrong direction.
It was me, Claudia, the wrier. Substack offerds that option. If people want to present rational opposing opinions, great. IF they are only here to demean, criticize, abuse or in general be jackasses, fuck em. Love the sharp, well-informed folks who showed up. Thank you.
I have been writing about the problem of conservative political regression with regards to the following point that you make, "This is the precedent the current clerics of the Court now defer to, in deciding what the state will allow 21st century women to do with their own bodies?"
A significant sub-network within the larger conservative network that you bring up in your piece here today is the "Truth and Liberty Coalition" this organization is solidly entrenched in the "Seven Mountains" movement and plays a significant part in the "Convention of States Action" movement that intends to rewrite the Constitution of the USA. Also perhaps the single most outsized individual responsible for helping to overturn Roe vs. Wade is Leonard Leo. Alliance Defending Freedom is in actuality one small part of the greater whole and owes much of its support to Leonard Leo and the numerous individuals who lead and operate the Truth and Liberty Coalition.
The more people that are exposed to and made aware of this gargantuan conservative Christian nationalist network and its efforts the better prepared we will all be in the coming years to fight back against it and those who are actively fighting for control of our liberal Democracy.
Yes, Leo is the catalyst. He has set up many shell companies that each pay themselves monies. In other words, it’s a big money laundering scheme where these so-called companies are filed to be tax exempt. Sheldon Whitehouse has been investigating Leo for years and recently subpoenaed he and Harlan Crow. Both have snubbed their noses to him and Dick Durbin. Others involved in these companies are Ginni Thomas (no surprise), the Mercers, and the Koch’s, plus Peter Thiel, and others who we are unaware of. It is nauseating.
I’m getting nauseous over this hidden activity of right wingers while yet at the same time we hear reports of right wing or religious family values folk doing dastardly things in secret while they are organizing to deny freedom to others. Kudos to Sheldon Whitehouse and Dick Durbin.!
Thank you for responding to that subversive reply. I have a strong suspicion that profile (Headkase) is a hybrid human-Chat GPT troll. I would suggest that you try to not to let it drag you into an extended exchange, thus wasting time and creating unnecessary doubt and confusion for other readers, which is its end goal. At the very least its answer is that of a Moralist operating within Absolutist parameters, and as such should simply be dismissed as an attempt to muddy the waters.
Well said. “They talk about Government “in our face”... GET OUT... “they” are in our face and very very WRONG. Put back “Roe v Wade” and shut the hell up. SC get to doing their JOB instead of being Partisan, you took the oath Prove YOU are worth our respect, you are really BAD at it,
I forgot to mention also that you might want to consider not engaging with the profile named Yuri Bezmenov, as it is a Russian subversive operation that operates to intentionally create strife, doubt, debate, confusion and anger. As the old saying goes, "don't feed the trolls."
Bethel church, based in Redding California is a far right wing evangelical organization that is infiltrating the Redding city council and, along with the despicable moms of Liberty, infiltrating the local schools. It’s f’ed up obscenely crazy shit. Heavy emphasis on the Seven Mountains backasswards philosophy. Thank you for this excellent article!
Bethel isn’t even close to far right. Maybe compared to Mao or Stalin. They are considered borderline progressive by most Christian circles. They are at most slightly right of moderate. When Apologia or Christ Church get involved, then you are closer to far right. By what definition are Bethel far right?
Sarah, I think the most important thing is that if a republican, especially trump, is in the White House, not only will women especially suffer here, but he will support the worst despots all over the world.
"You have picked a cause because you needed meaning in your life. Sad."
Sorry, banned. I really hate this constant, tedious republican projection.
Sorry, I ban vicious randos who have no clue what they are talking about. It's tiresome..
I’m not going backwards because of some EvilAngekical Christian AssHat. They have an agenda to silence women once again. Didn’t work out that well the first time.. FVCK that. Take away women’s rights now in 2023 and watch WTF happens next. I call it: Fuck Around and Find Out 🙌🏽🖕🏽🙌🏽MAKE MY DAY
Fuck All the way Off🖕🏽 and your blocked
Blocked
Religion is a blight. Humanity would be better off without it. It provides nothing of value to offset all the harm it does.
Religion has NO place in Government...EVER. This is a FREEDOM. Full stop! Religion is a personal choice (thus, a freedom) it is between “YOURSELF” and FULL STOP AGAIN. 🤬
You’re the one wanting to interfere in my business. You need to provide some kind of justification. I don’t owe you shit. Not conversation, not debate. Nada.
Depends on who it is. Those worthless assholes who hang out at Planned Parenthood and harass patients could collapse on the sidewalk and I’d step over them and keep walking.
Religion and politics is not the problem People are the problem. This planet would be better off if people didn’t exist in the first place. So “pro life” isn’t a good thing. I’m pro choice and pro death penalty and agnostic. And mommadillo is correct- no one owes you a discussion or debate or to tell you jack shit about why or how they think. Arrogant much?
Wish there was a ❤️ button. These people are CRAZY to think this is right., it is a Freedom and everyone, (repeat) EVERYONE has a choice. It is a FREEDOM. NO ONE should be told what to do.
We (as in all of us) have to live with your own choice. There are many who struggle everyday with HARD choices, that is how it should be. STFU already, it is a matter of MY choice, I will struggle with it and never forget. 😢
So what are your questions?
That douche got banned 🙌🏽
So, you DON'T support free speech. Correct?
It’s the viability factor. If a baby is able to survive outside the womb, with or without medical assistance it’s a person. We don’t have the technology to keep an embryo or fetus alive, yet. When and if we do - instead of abortion we could surgically remove that EMBRYO/FETUS causing no harm to mother or FETUS/ EMBRYO and drop it in a fish tank to fully developed. Once they are we can send them to you and everyone that thinks like you and you can all raise them, with all that that entails. And you don’t need to write any separate more focused anything. Just sit and stfu.
Sex has risks and so does rape and so does complicated pregnancies.You’re an absolutely condescending idiot. Manders explained EVERYTHING to you in simple words and you still don’t get it. You never will so enjoy your smug existence and please, don’t procreate. Or go out in public, just stay home and do whatever it is you do.
Nope- you’re wrong. I know you hate that but you are. I did say we can’t do it “yet”. Did you read my entire comment? I said when and if we do women can have it surgically removed for the same cost as abortion of course , and lovingly placed in an incubation tank. Once viable the pro lifers will be assigned a baby or 2. No problem for me, resolution for you. Or no? They can sent to orphanages. Is that better?
OMG!! Articulate refreshing truthful spot on !! Fucking brilliant 🙌🏽 I sent your thread to my adulting daughters! They loved it!! Ahhh the intelligence of this post. Thank you Manders
What is a man?
Yuri doesn't know.
Yuri doesn’t know jack shit. And I blocked him and some other trolltramp.
A drone.
Sheesh. Being pro-choice does NOT mean aborting every pregnancy.
Sitting the election out is exactly what MAgats want. I will NEVER surrender to fascists
I'm an abortion rights activist in Kansas. I will share this with my group. Thank you for such an eloquent piece.
Elaine you are a ROCKSTAR 🙌🏽
How is it a lie?
Will have to check that out!
Holy Jumping Jesus, this is amazing work. It's well-written, thoroughly researched info. Thank you.
The hard right-wingers have been very busy behind the scenes working in secret like TERMITES! People with more liberal ideology need to get busy working just as hard to counteract the hardcore backward ideology of the hardliners. I’m old and I was in my 30s when RoevWade came into law and I was shocked because of the norms of the time. At approximately the same age I gained the right to have a credit card in my own name!!! Can you imagine living life in the age of information without a credit card? We were just coming out from the oppressive time when men ruled women with a heavy hand. I don’t want my grandchildren being forced into such restrictive ideology or the constraints and consequences of a “Christian’ nation rather than a secular nation with freedom of religion! Separation of Church and State (possibly under threat in the near future) needs to be guarded carefully. It is foundational to our freedoms. We don’t want to end up with an American Taliban!
Hey, remember when we couldn’t wear pants to work, Darlene?
I also remember back alley abortions and the dangers that brought.
Two of my friends in the '60s had to get illegal abortions or they would have lost their jobs. Both were damaged in the process and later unable to get pregnant when they could afford to have children. Post partum blues were not understood much at the time. It's easy for ignorant men to assume that depressed women are "crazy", and blame the victim.
Life begins at first breath, as written in Genesis.
Maybe so but probably not as often as quacks with rusty or dirty coat hangers. Many girls bed to death or got really bad infections. They left the back alley quack’s place bleeding and in pain. If you had a botched abortion at Planned Parenthood then I feel sorrow and compassion about that happened to you or maybe it’s someone you know. I remember the relief I felt for all those that might want an abortion even though I never had one. But I knew someone, a teenager, that did back then and she experienced consequences. The hope RoevWade gave women was safety. I don’t know statistics to compare the 40s 50s & 60s to the 2000s but I’m scared back alley abortions will be resumed. I think that’s the most likely scenario. And today women’s lives are put at risk when they want their baby but the fetus isn’t healthy enough to continue and the mother’s life is threatened when she has to wait till she’s at death’s door to get the needed procedure to save her life. ONGYNs are leaving red states particularly if there’s a law a doctor giving an abortion will be imprisoned. There’s now a scarcity of obstetricians now in some of those states and where does that leave pregnant women. What upsets me is state congressional leaders making decisions like this when they don’t understand medicine or medically problematic pregnancies. Mortality rates are going up for fetuses, babies and their mothers. It’s a very complex issue.
Yes a family member had her bowel burned during a procedure and she had chronic pain from it until her death.
Sure do! Couldn’t wear pants to school either kindergarten through college.
I also, in 1963 our high school did not allow girls to wear pants. Guys HAD to wear a belt NO jeans.
I can’t say I hated it, it was what it was. However, I do not believe in going backwards. A dress code doesn’t hurt much. I am though, furiously opposed to taking women’s rights away. Today’s Right Wing are not acceptable for anyone. ESPECIALLY A WOMEN’S BODY.
This must be STOPPED. It is so hard to believe that our Freedoms are close to being gone. THE COURTS MUST STEP IN. How can this happen they are breaking the law EVERYDAY.
HITLER DIED and I don’t remember him being RESURRECTED.
TFG IS NOT GOD and he is old enough to die soon. He’s not in good health and has dementia. But now we see them all coming out of the woodwork to do all the EVIL our loved ones fought for.
Really judges we need the LAW. NOW. 😢🇺🇸🙏🏻
On snow days, we could wear them to school but immediately take them off and put them in the cloakroom until end of day.
I do. We had to wear nylon stockings that ran if you looked at them crosseyed and cost so much I couldn't afford to eat well. Pants suits were such a relief and we're an immediate hit (also made sexual access to womenmore difficult for male employees/bosses .
Nylons!! Oh gawwwd...held up by garter belts!
My stocking runs usually came at a very crucial moment. Pantsuits and knee highs were great inventions. I remember buying 4-fers. They should be brought back.
Ummm....whatsa 4-fer? Was that the belt that you clip the nylons to? Gads, I would never do anything to let a man think I was available, since so few of them were eligible.
4-fees was a box of inexpensive knee highs sold in grocery stores just prior to the L’Eggs becoming popular and available in grocery stores. Garter belts’ upper part was similarly to a girdle with long garters with buckles to latch to the stocking. They were uncomfortable & the buckles could dig into your leg and skin. Ugh!
To be clear the box of 4-Fers contained 4 pairs of knee highs.
Auto-correct got me. 4-fers.
Yet clergy wear dresses(flowing robes with red slippers)
And some, you'll note, are very busy right here, right now. Not behind the scenes. Not in secret. But, yes, very much working, like busy little termites trying to foist their viewpoint on the rest of humanity. STILL. It's breathtaking sometimes that these people think it's just fine and dandy to MAKE YOU do as they wish. The fight goes on!
Because they are the minority in reality ruling the majority because they Wm are well financed by billionaires and corporations. There was a time in my lifetime that bi-partisanship was the practice. Both sides discussed and compromised. Repubs & Dems in these sessions after making their arguments went to lunch together. Many were close friends. That doesn’t happen anymore as you must know. Better decisions are made for the country when there’s bi-partisanship. Today hard-right Republicans in Congress refuse to do this and that disrupts the course of governing.
Yes, kinda like my formative years in Kansas in the salad days of the 1950s, where the playground bullies ruled by a My Way or Eat Dust fiat. Those bullies are all grown up and produced two going on three generations of bully spawn. Add several dashes of fascist pseudo religious ideology and voilà 🫤
Infantile rubbish
Thank you for this very well researched and written post. I’ll definitely restack your work.
"Free' speech does not confer on you the right to say anything you want to anybody, anytime, no matter how vile, malicious, false or hateful. There are limits bound by decency, which some sociopaths don't seem to comprehend.
The US already had the highest maternal death rate of any developed country, and the new "pro-life" (hahahaha) restrictions on abortion are increasing it. I may be only a man, but I have an opinion on that which is that it seems to be going in the wrong direction.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas increased to 21% after the ban on abortion. That’s almost 1/4 of all pregnancies. Pro life indeed!
It was me, Claudia, the wrier. Substack offerds that option. If people want to present rational opposing opinions, great. IF they are only here to demean, criticize, abuse or in general be jackasses, fuck em. Love the sharp, well-informed folks who showed up. Thank you.
This is an excellent wake up call.
I have been writing about the problem of conservative political regression with regards to the following point that you make, "This is the precedent the current clerics of the Court now defer to, in deciding what the state will allow 21st century women to do with their own bodies?"
A significant sub-network within the larger conservative network that you bring up in your piece here today is the "Truth and Liberty Coalition" this organization is solidly entrenched in the "Seven Mountains" movement and plays a significant part in the "Convention of States Action" movement that intends to rewrite the Constitution of the USA. Also perhaps the single most outsized individual responsible for helping to overturn Roe vs. Wade is Leonard Leo. Alliance Defending Freedom is in actuality one small part of the greater whole and owes much of its support to Leonard Leo and the numerous individuals who lead and operate the Truth and Liberty Coalition.
The more people that are exposed to and made aware of this gargantuan conservative Christian nationalist network and its efforts the better prepared we will all be in the coming years to fight back against it and those who are actively fighting for control of our liberal Democracy.
Yes, Leo is the catalyst. He has set up many shell companies that each pay themselves monies. In other words, it’s a big money laundering scheme where these so-called companies are filed to be tax exempt. Sheldon Whitehouse has been investigating Leo for years and recently subpoenaed he and Harlan Crow. Both have snubbed their noses to him and Dick Durbin. Others involved in these companies are Ginni Thomas (no surprise), the Mercers, and the Koch’s, plus Peter Thiel, and others who we are unaware of. It is nauseating.
I’m getting nauseous over this hidden activity of right wingers while yet at the same time we hear reports of right wing or religious family values folk doing dastardly things in secret while they are organizing to deny freedom to others. Kudos to Sheldon Whitehouse and Dick Durbin.!
And Leo is in bed with ‘Clearance’ Thomas - he’s never met a Billionaire that wasn’t his friend...
Good thing miscegenation is legal now!😂
We don’t have much time.
Thank you for responding to that subversive reply. I have a strong suspicion that profile (Headkase) is a hybrid human-Chat GPT troll. I would suggest that you try to not to let it drag you into an extended exchange, thus wasting time and creating unnecessary doubt and confusion for other readers, which is its end goal. At the very least its answer is that of a Moralist operating within Absolutist parameters, and as such should simply be dismissed as an attempt to muddy the waters.
I blocked HeadKase.. and another twatbot trollbotslimesuckingfucktard whatever😵💫
Well said. “They talk about Government “in our face”... GET OUT... “they” are in our face and very very WRONG. Put back “Roe v Wade” and shut the hell up. SC get to doing their JOB instead of being Partisan, you took the oath Prove YOU are worth our respect, you are really BAD at it,
I forgot to mention also that you might want to consider not engaging with the profile named Yuri Bezmenov, as it is a Russian subversive operation that operates to intentionally create strife, doubt, debate, confusion and anger. As the old saying goes, "don't feed the trolls."
And another block.. they’re like rats scurrying around shitting on women’s rights because fuck you that’s why 🙄fucking asshats
Blocked, blocked and double blocked
What point??? Who are you???
Already did azzhole
'She died in childbirth' was often said in hushed tones.
She left her husband with 5 children to raise alone.'
Back to that in 2023.
Bethel church, based in Redding California is a far right wing evangelical organization that is infiltrating the Redding city council and, along with the despicable moms of Liberty, infiltrating the local schools. It’s f’ed up obscenely crazy shit. Heavy emphasis on the Seven Mountains backasswards philosophy. Thank you for this excellent article!
Bethel isn’t even close to far right. Maybe compared to Mao or Stalin. They are considered borderline progressive by most Christian circles. They are at most slightly right of moderate. When Apologia or Christ Church get involved, then you are closer to far right. By what definition are Bethel far right?